tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9266588.comments2022-12-02T08:31:45.098-05:00Ancestors At RestOlive Tree Genealogyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.comBlogger143125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9266588.post-32354817951537371072021-04-15T08:18:51.539-04:002021-04-15T08:18:51.539-04:00Son of John Cary and Mary Foster of Brockton Mass ...Son of John Cary and Mary Foster of Brockton Mass and Cooper Maine.<br /><br />He was a farmer and died at 73 2 months and 6 days of old age. Death record gives name of parents as John Cary and Mary Foster. Elisha was buried Cooper Maine and was likely the son of Jonathan and Mary buried Cooper Ridge.<br /><br />John Cary the Plymouth Pilgrim, section 274, lists Elisha Caleb Cary as the son of Jonathan, and born in Cooper Maine 1819, married Vienna Bridgman in 1846, and resided Cooper Maine. Children were Laura E., Veranus L, Alvin S, Manly A., Frank E. and Elisha S. Elisha's brother was Henry S. Cary who married Waity Palmeter and also resided Cooper.<br /><br />Member Bob Toelle 47047332 has added an edit for the parents of Elisha.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9266588.post-28650269683299954022019-10-20T20:16:45.976-04:002019-10-20T20:16:45.976-04:00Thank you for posting.. Ruth Jones was a sister of...Thank you for posting.. Ruth Jones was a sister of my husband's ancestor. She never married but according to census records lived with her widowed sister most of her adult life. Tanianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9266588.post-28025314734398045782019-07-01T12:40:55.957-04:002019-07-01T12:40:55.957-04:00I was at the cemetery to put flowers at my parents...I was at the cemetery to put flowers at my parents and sister’s gravesite first weekend in June and I have not seen the cemetery look that bad before. No water on, grass not cut. Look very neglected! I was there again today July 1st to weed and still no water on! Sorry state of affairs when a cemetery is that neglected!Angela Wnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9266588.post-14898934525343907352018-02-12T01:28:13.898-05:002018-02-12T01:28:13.898-05:00Thanks Lorie; - I did re read the petition and see...Thanks Lorie; - I did re read the petition and see the reference to JB being in Ontario for about 11 years. I missed that when I first read it so 1808 work for an approximate date of arrival and hence answers Q#1.<br />As to Q#2 - I will accept your inspection of the signature on the character reference as being S Smith but I am surprised that he didn't use his full signature on a letter of reference.<br />I also noticed in that petition that JB purchased the 50 acres in the township of Toronto so that answers Q#3.<br />As to Q#4 - I am aware of the conditions attached to grants and yes, you are right, he did nothing with the land and therefore did not fulfill the conditions of ownership and therefore did not have the right to sell the land. On the other hand, he would not have been granted land in the Queen's Bush while he was in possession of the grant for the acreage on Wilberforce Rd, Oro.<br />There should be some documentation regarding his release of the Oro grant and another petition and grant for his land in the Queen's Bush. I hope to see Gary French on another matter and see what he may know about how a land swap like this may have taken place. I'll let you know if I learn anything from Gary.<br /><br />John Raynorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10611514404355572925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9266588.post-43752767504934434042018-02-11T17:28:41.427-05:002018-02-11T17:28:41.427-05:00John, I'm glad you are asking questions. It...John, I'm glad you are asking questions. It's always helpful to look over earlier research and ensure I've covered all my bases. However I would urge you to go to my blog and read what I have there for Jonathan. The post you are commenting on her is 4 years old. <br /><br />I wrote several detailed posts about Jonathan over at <a href="http://olivetreegenealogy.blogspot.ca/2013/09/finding-black-ancestor-using.html" rel="nofollow">Finding a Black Ancestor Using Circumstantial Evidence, Part 1</a><br /><br />Several of your questions are answered there. For instance the 1819 petition gives the number of years Jonathan has been in "the Province". We can then extrapolate an approximate year of arrival.<br /><br />The Character reference is signed "S. Smith" not J. Smith. I compared signatures on other documents which Samuel Smith signed and in my opinion the writing is the same. I could be wrong - further research is of course needed.<br /><br />Re the land grant - if JB never settled there (and I do not believe he did) he was not the entitled owner and could not sell it. There were requirements which you can look up for clearing x number of acres, etc in order to take full title. I suspect he simply took advantage of the free land being offered in Queen's Bush in the government's attempt to settle black settlers there. <br /><br />Olive Tree Genealogyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9266588.post-61713379667077286572018-02-11T14:56:09.303-05:002018-02-11T14:56:09.303-05:00I am looking a little more closely at what I see i...I am looking a little more closely at what I see in this post and have some questions:<br />1- 1808 is referenced as "Arrival date" for Jonathan. What is the source for that?<br />2- 1816 is the date for the "character reference" given by J. Smith of Etobicoke, but where does Col. Samuel Smith come into this equation? Yes, he was a notable figure with major land holdings in Etobicoke but I believe that he would have signed a character reference using his full name and rank rather than J. Smith.<br />3- 1819 (March) is the "Petition for land". Why do we assume that he was leasing land from Col. Samuel Smith. Neither the Petition nor the character reference note Jonathan as as tenant. I assumed that he owned the 50 acres that he was farming.<br />There is a map of an early survey of the township of Toronto where the names are written on the lots. I am trying to find a copy of this map that is more readable than the one online to see if I can find his name on a 50 acre parcel. Sometimes these notations indicate if the person was an owner or a tenant.<br />4- 1819 (April) The "Land Grant" for 100 acre on Wilberforce St. in Oro township was not referred to as the Wilberforce Settlement but I certainly agree that there is no indication that he settled there. What is unclear to me is how he acquired his land west of the Grand in the Queens Bush? Did he sell his land in Oro or trade that grant for one in the Queens Bush?<br />These questions are not meant to be critical of the post, they are just my attempt to sort out speculation from documented facts in the hope of finding additional leads in the search for my ancestor. John Raynorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10611514404355572925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9266588.post-24913652894667011202018-01-24T20:06:28.219-05:002018-01-24T20:06:28.219-05:00Hi John - that's very interesting - what a sma...Hi John - that's very interesting - what a small world :-) <br /><br />Jonathan was granted land in Wilberforce but it seems he never settled there. I have done a lot more research since this article on my husband's blog (AncestorsatRest). Much of it is published on my Olive Tree Genealogy blog.<br /><br />Gary sold me my 2nd great-grandfather's coffin plate that he rescued from an antique store in Barrie. We have chatted via email but I can't say I know him very well although we have a relationship of sorts through our Vollick-French lineage<br /><br />My goal is still to find Jonathan in Pennsylvania AND to find out what happened to him after the last assessment in Woolwich. I believe he left the area, perhaps for Bruce Co. but sadly there is no 1851 census for that area. <br /><br />I'm presently trying to find him on the new online Abstract Indexes to Deeds but so far no luck<br /><br /><br /><br />Olive Tree Genealogyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9266588.post-77119304415213319762018-01-24T18:46:35.396-05:002018-01-24T18:46:35.396-05:00Thank you for your diligent follow up Lorine. I st...Thank you for your diligent follow up Lorine. I started this project looking for details on my grandmother, Mary Ellen Butler. I never met her as she died when my mother was about 3 yrs old. Mary Ellen's father tracts back to John Diebolt Butler who tracts back to Jonanthan Alexander Butler and then back to our hard to trace Johnathan Butler. Ironically I live just outside of Midland about 25 km north of the Wilberfore settlement. I also know Gary French fairly well as we served together on the board of the Huronia museum. I'll have to buy The Queen's Bush Settlement: Black Pioneers 1839-1865 and find some time to visit Gary. I am also involved in archaeology and hope to get someone up here to talk about the Black church in Oro where an archaeological assessment was done last year. Pleasestay in touch.John Raynorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10611514404355572925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9266588.post-58442270670428860222018-01-24T08:30:57.538-05:002018-01-24T08:30:57.538-05:00Here is reference to our Jonathan Butler in the bo...Here is reference to our Jonathan Butler in the book you cited<br /><br /><a href="https://books.google.ca/books?id=XDg6gcUjikEC&pg=PA223&lpg=PA223&dq=1847+queen%27s+bush+petition&source=bl&ots=-84RKsNJU3&sig=H8ZDYHashhbGiRpToEeqDOR18Ok&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjkitLN1_DYAhWCx4MKHdAWBu0Q6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=butler%20&f=false" rel="nofollow">Page 29</a>Olive Tree Genealogyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9266588.post-76921252828676944362018-01-24T08:24:58.018-05:002018-01-24T08:24:58.018-05:00John I neglected to add that Henry Butler named ab...John I neglected to add that Henry Butler named above as a black settler, was Jonathan Butler's son. <br /><br />Please also see my articles on <a href="http://olivetreegenealogy.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Olive Tree Genealogy Blog</a> Search for BUTLER and BUTLER FAMILY to view all the postsOlive Tree Genealogyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9266588.post-57828566673940124952018-01-24T08:21:30.811-05:002018-01-24T08:21:30.811-05:00John - Jonathan may not be on the list you saw but...John - Jonathan may not be on the list you saw but that does not negate the fact that he IS found in the assessment records I provided in my blog post. He lived just west of the Grand River, near Floradale. We could disagree on whether or not that was part of the Queen's Bush settlement but we can't argue with the fact that he lived in that area :-) However I went to the link you provided and it is only ONE page (some surnames beginning with A)<br /><br />I searched further and in fact HENRY BUTLER and LEWIS BUTLER both appear on the list of black settlers in the Queen's Bush Settlement. I cannot add the screenshot here but you can click on this link to see the names <a href="https://books.google.ca/books?id=XDg6gcUjikEC&pg=PA223&lpg=PA223&dq=1847+queen%27s+bush+petition&source=bl&ots=-84RKsNJU3&sig=H8ZDYHashhbGiRpToEeqDOR18Ok&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjkitLN1_DYAhWCx4MKHdAWBu0Q6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=1847%20butler%20queen's%20bush%20petition&f=false" rel="nofollow">https://books.google.ca/books?id=XDg6gcUjikEC&pg=PA223&lpg=PA223&dq=1847+queen%27s+bush+petition&source=bl&ots=-84RKsNJU3&sig=H8ZDYHashhbGiRpToEeqDOR18Ok&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjkitLN1_DYAhWCx4MKHdAWBu0Q6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=1847%20butler%20queen's%20bush%20petition&f=false</a>Olive Tree Genealogyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9266588.post-61758074959345484522018-01-23T23:04:59.870-05:002018-01-23T23:04:59.870-05:00From the work that I have been doing on Ancestry J...From the work that I have been doing on Ancestry Johnathan Butler is my 3rd great grandfather but I have little to go by past that. One thing that I did find was a list of settlers from the Queens Bush settlement and no Butlers appear on that list. see - https://books.google.ca/books?id=cdKOAQAAQBAJ&pg=PA191&lpg=PA191&dq=The+Queen%27s+Bush+Settlement:+Black+Pioneers,+1839-1865&source=bl&ots=8JkXeGM90C&sig=TV-INxL2d17VQunlqI7WWJydJU0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj9xe-sm-_YAhVswYMKHcVIB6I4ChDoAQhDMAY#v=onepage&q=The%20Queen's%20Bush%20Settlement%3A%20Black%20Pioneers%2C%201839-1865&f=false<br />John Raynorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10611514404355572925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9266588.post-83336845525919090182017-07-07T22:31:41.761-04:002017-07-07T22:31:41.761-04:00Lorine,
I want to let you know that your blog is ...Lorine,<br /><br />I want to let you know that your blog is listed in today's Genealogy Fab Finds post at http://janasgenealogyandfamilyhistory.blogspot.com/2017/07/janas-genealogy-fab-finds-for-july-7.html<br /><br />Have a great weekend!Jana Iverson Lasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07687969613629975601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9266588.post-38133682059016835892017-06-08T17:32:33.693-04:002017-06-08T17:32:33.693-04:00Did any of the Galway ships journey to New York in...Did any of the Galway ships journey to New York in 1819? My family came from County Clare to N.Y. in 1819Kathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09896120291528968937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9266588.post-42030665508102438642016-09-10T08:19:16.441-04:002016-09-10T08:19:16.441-04:00Hello Doug - It is very nice to hear from you! Els...Hello Doug - It is very nice to hear from you! Elsie was my husband's great-grandmother. I have a lot of research and info on Elsie and her family going back several generations and am happy to share.<br /><br />Please contact me at olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com<br /><br />LorineOlive Tree Genealogyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9266588.post-72972146431526853062016-09-09T18:57:44.298-04:002016-09-09T18:57:44.298-04:00Greetings. Elsie was my maternal grandmother....mi...Greetings. Elsie was my maternal grandmother....might be interesting to correspond.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09074237828740255944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9266588.post-15306597126453211462016-02-26T23:21:37.232-05:002016-02-26T23:21:37.232-05:00There are literally thousands buried in Deansgrang...There are literally thousands buried in Deansgrange and I have yet to find any online listing all interments.<br /><br />Once you get to Ireland, find out what time the cemetery office opens (they're only open a couple of hours a day) and have them search their books for you. Nothing is on computer (not when I was there in 2012) so they will literally pull large books off their shelves to research. Persevere with them as I found the clerks less than accommodating.<br /><br />Best of luck!Lady Irishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12693590851535199566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9266588.post-17047611315873257252015-10-23T17:50:56.092-04:002015-10-23T17:50:56.092-04:00Makes me wish I had ancestors in those locations!Makes me wish I had ancestors in those locations!Colleen G. Brown Pasqualehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402783115333431440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9266588.post-24229047529218986382015-10-23T14:21:34.892-04:002015-10-23T14:21:34.892-04:00Lorine,
I want to let you know that your blog pos...Lorine,<br /><br />I want to let you know that your blog post is listed in today's Fab Finds post at http://janasgenealogyandfamilyhistory.blogspot.com/2015/10/follow-friday-fab-finds-for-october-23.html<br /><br />Have a wonderful weekend!Jana Iverson Lasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07687969613629975601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9266588.post-60572275572227347082015-03-01T11:47:20.429-05:002015-03-01T11:47:20.429-05:00It's definitely a "7"!It's definitely a "7"!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9266588.post-77630136909814669552015-01-17T14:13:06.025-05:002015-01-17T14:13:06.025-05:00Hi Natalie
I'm afraid neither Brian nor I kno...Hi Natalie<br /><br />I'm afraid neither Brian nor I know the name of the ship. Here are suggestions from a ship historian:<br /><br />The brig Prudence, 157 tons, bound from Dublin to New York with cargo of linen & glass, and passengers. She was captured 11 Aug 1812 by HMS Morgiana, which vessel was stationed at Halifax in that period. Another possibility is ship Magnet, 172 tons, bound from Belfast to New York with cargo and passengers; she was captured by HMS Ringdove 18 Jul 1812. Maybe the next step would be to check St Johns newspapers of the period to see if either or both vessels arrived there? Relevant Halifax newspapers would also be worth looking at. <br /><br />Brian descends from Robert's brother William who married Jane Graham and stayed in QuebecOlive Tree Genealogyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9266588.post-44025549519883382572015-01-17T12:43:57.218-05:002015-01-17T12:43:57.218-05:00Thank you for putting this together!
I am a desce...Thank you for putting this together!<br /><br />I am a descendant of Thomas and Mary's son, Robert, who was already living in New York when they set sail. <br /><br />I've been searching for more information on their ship. Do you know the name?Nataliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13953199649131274840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9266588.post-82725227722464369242014-12-10T15:17:05.800-05:002014-12-10T15:17:05.800-05:00Hi,Myrtle looks like her Aunt Kate. Also like Symt...Hi,Myrtle looks like her Aunt Kate. Also like Symthe cousins<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9266588.post-48078697522070768622014-08-08T07:34:50.262-04:002014-08-08T07:34:50.262-04:00Hi Alison,
I'm responding on behalf of Brian ...Hi Alison,<br /><br />I'm responding on behalf of Brian (I'm his wife).<br /><br />You can reach him at my email addy<br /><br />olivetreegenealogy AT gmail.com<br /><br />I could not see a contact email for you in your comment. <br /><br />LorineOlive Tree Genealogyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9266588.post-37256587664131159902014-08-08T07:26:37.877-04:002014-08-08T07:26:37.877-04:00Good morning Brian,
I hope this message will reac...Good morning Brian,<br /><br />I hope this message will reach you - I'm sorry for posting in a public blog, but I could not find a way to privately message you. My name is Alison and I've been asked by a CBC producer to help trace living ancestors of the families of WWI servicemen, and my research has led to you. Your great-great-uncle would be James Cecil Sandercock if I read this correctly; please see below for the details of why we're looking for you. Please feel free to pass this along to other descendants of Pte. Sandercock's family, and please contact me if you'd like more information or if you'd like to participate.<br /><br />Looking forward to hearing from you,<br />Alison Mitchell-Reid<br />St. Thomas, ON<br /><br />I'm working on a programme for the CBC radio programme "Ideas", based on the Stratford Festival Forum called "Letters From the Front", which is essentially a group of actors reading WW1 letters written by (mostly) soldiers from the Stratford/Perth area. I was hoping to find some descendants of the letter-writers still living in the region; perhaps they might go to the reading, which is on Sunday August 10 in Stratford, and perhaps they'd be willing to be interviewed briefly for CBC Radio afterwards. Even if they can't come to the event, we'd like to meet them at another time, anyway, and talk a bit about what they know about their ancestor from WW1, and what that legacy of sacrifice means to them and the family today. Any help with this is greatly appreciated. Regards, Philip Coulter (Producer, CBC Radio, "Ideas")Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15385737854148432845noreply@blogger.com